(BONUS) Episode 4 - The Calm Before the Embryo

Recorded: April 22nd, 2026

Tomorrow isn’t a vague someday anymore, it’s a scheduled frozen embryo transfer with a real clock, real meds, and very real feelings. We’re recording from a group sleepover the night before transfer, and the vibe is exactly what you’d expect: overly hydrated, trying to stay calm, and fighting the “what if” tunnel that shows up when you care this much.

For this bonus episode, both husbands join us to talk about the other side of IVF and gestational surrogacy, the part people rarely hear. 

We also walk through what happens during a frozen embryo transfer step by step: arriving with a full bladder, getting updates from the embryologist, what the catheter placement feels like, how the embryo is confirmed and transferred, and how fast it all moves when it finally happens. Then we zoom out to the bigger fertility journey, how common IVF really is, why so many people don’t talk about it, and what we’re learning about staying hopeful without pretending it’s easy.

Cheers to Haley being PUPO (pregnant until proven otherwise) as of Thursday.

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0:00 - Cold Open And Embryo Count

0:40 - Bonus Guests Join The Sleepover

1:19 - Going Public With The Podcast

4:42 - The Husbands’ Side Of Surrogacy

7:31 - Needles Pineapple And Weird Moments

12:08 - Tomorrow’s Frozen Transfer Step By Step

20:41 - How Common IVF Really Is

24:18 - Supporting Her Through The Spiral

27:31 - One-Word Hopes And Sign-Off

Transcript

Cold Open And Embryo Count

SPEAKER_05 0:00

You're sad you don't get to sit on the casting couch? Yeah, for old time's sake. You should be excited you don't have to sit on the casting couch.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Yeah, we have 11 embryos. You did a good job.

SPEAKER_05 0:08

That means we've taken the next step. That's true. I did well. I did well.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

You did a good job. I did well.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

Donations are thriving.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

Oh my God. So let's talk about the world's craziest group project.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Seriously.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

And here we are, guys. It is the night before transfer. And I don't think I've ever been more hydrated or emotionally unstable.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Welcome back, guys. Welcome

Bonus Guests Join The Sleepover

SPEAKER_01 0:40

back. Welcome back. Welcome to our bonus episode. We've got two special guests with us.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Bonus content. Bonus content. Here we go.

SPEAKER_05 0:50

Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_05 0:53

It's me. It's the husbands.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Why don't you guys introduce yourselves real quick for anyone who's listening and doesn't know who you guys are?

SPEAKER_06 1:01

Hi, I'm John. I'm married to Yayo. And I'm Matt. I'm married to Haley.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Awesome. And you guys are brothers.

SPEAKER_06 1:10

Yep. Did we nail it? I think we got it. We got it.

SPEAKER_04 1:15

Wow. Shortest intro in the history of podcasts. All

Going Public With The Podcast

SPEAKER_04 1:19

right. Well, we chart every week by always checking in. So, how are we doing, Yayo?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

I'll go first because my emotions are going to be very different from yours and way more chill. So I'm doing good. Today we went live with our podcast for all of our friends and family. I'm feeling good. Everyone was very supportive. Um, yeah, everything sounded great. I'm excited to just keep everyone in the loop with the podcast without the pressures of having to make posts on Instagram every day and respond to a hundred text messages every day. So on my side of things, I'm feeling good. Everyone who has checked in with me, my answer is the same. I feel really good. And I just want to make sure that you feel good because I know what it's like to be on the other side. So how are you feeling? Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Um, so I'm feeling good. So for anyone, obviously, who doesn't know because you can't see us, um, we're having a group sleepover tonight. Woohoo! Um, so we're all in the same room, which is nice. We love getting you to record when we're um, you know, able to see each other and play off each other. But um no, I think today, today I'm good. Um woke up to your email. I think you sent at like midnight. Um, not surprised there. Um, you know, I'm just saying, like, hey, here's the podcast, like, here's the website, like ready to go live. And that was really exciting. So yeah, it's just like starting the morning, like nobody knew at work, and then like just started slowly making the posts and like sharing everything. And I didn't say anything to anybody. I just kind of waited for people to notice, like either on Facebook or Instagram or whatever. And so that was fun. I didn't want to just be like, so guys, guess what? Like, I'm gonna be pregnant tomorrow. Like, you know, it's just kind of like a weird transitional topic. So I was like, I'll just let things naturally, you know, get shared. So so no, I'm good. Um trying not to spiral down the, you know, like what ifs, like, what should I be doing? What should I not be doing? Tunnel.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Let's definitely talk about that during this episode for sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

We'll start that.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Are you do you feel like you're already starting to spiral?

SPEAKER_04 3:32

I think I'm trying not to. I think it's just the at the end of the day, I know there's nothing I can truly do besides like the things the doctors are telling me. You know, there's so many things like we've said out there last episode about what people do during transfer week and you know superstitions and stuff like that. So I think that's really hard when there's no very like concrete, what am I supposed to be doing, what am I not supposed to be doing. There's too much great. Yeah. And just because I feel like with my past two pregnancies, like, number one, you don't really know you're pregnant until maybe like two, three weeks l after the fact, you know, if you're not tracking things that closely. Um, so you don't you don't even think about it. Like you don't even think about what you're doing, you don't even think about you know what can affect that very like precarious time or not. Um, and that's time you do. So yeah, this time you know the moment you're pregnant happens. Yeah. Pregnant until proven otherwise. Correct. Poo-po. All right, but let's let's check you in with the boys.

The Husbands’ Side Of Surrogacy

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah, guys, how are you guys feeling in terms of like being on the side of being the husband? So for each of you, both as like the intended parent and the gestational carrier's husband.

SPEAKER_04 4:55

Yeah, and just not maybe not just this week, but whole process.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:01

Um I guess for me, uh, the road's been long, but it's uh another door being open, so just praying on it and just getting on with life up until tomorrow, I guess. So went around work telling people that we were getting our sister-in-law pregnant. Many people didn't understand that until I explained it.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

So I'm so happy you said that.

SPEAKER_06 5:25

Yeah. So threw people for a loop at work and now we're getting ready for bed.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

But that's your emo. Your emo is literally just to like throw people for loops, like you're just that type of guy, and I love it.

SPEAKER_05 5:36

Yes, gotta stick with the curveballs. So, you know, I think that the best part is I can say, my brother got my wife pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah, but you have you started saying that yet?

SPEAKER_05 5:46

They're like and you should clarify immediately. There's a very, very select few people that I've told at work that I'm like, hey, this is what we're doing, and you know it's gonna be taking place soon. I might take time here or there just to try and alleviate a little bit of stress from her, but I'm excited. I like to throw people for a loop too.

SPEAKER_06 6:07

So I think you're more excited than me for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

In terms of like um what it's like for you guys, what do you find to be the hardest part for you guys? Obviously, like Haley's going through the process, the medication, things like that. Like, what what has been hard for each of you, and what's I guess has been like a learning curve through this entire process?

SPEAKER_06 6:35

Insurance sucks and write writing those checks.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Amen.

SPEAKER_06 6:39

And I don't get to visit the casting couch for any of this process, so that's gonna be uh an end of an era.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

You've already done you did that one time.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

I forgot to do the casting couch. So there's a black leather, there's a black leather couch that you go in and hang out on when you're doing the process when they combine everything.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

No, the egg retrieval, which is a one-time process.

SPEAKER_06 7:03

We did it twice and it was great. Like I said, it's an end of an era, and that that's what I'm sad about. But tomorrow will be a good day.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

I just wish you'd be serious for this.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

You're sad you don't get to sit on the casting couch? Yeah, for old time's sake. You should be excited you don't have to sit on the casting couch.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah, we have 11 embryos.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

You did a good job. That means we've taken the next step. That's true. I did well. I did well.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

You did a good job. I did well.

SPEAKER_05 7:28

Donations are thriving.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Oh my god.

Needles Pineapple And Weird Moments

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Well, I am currently sitting here eating pineapple. Um, I did have some pieces of the core and not enjoyable, but I will continue to slowly gnaw on that.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

So it was a little uh a little firm for your taste.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

What are um what's one thing that you guys have learned about your wives through this process?

SPEAKER_06 7:54

That's a tough question on the spot. Um, that you can find joy and somebody else carrying our baby when that was your goal the entire time.

SPEAKER_05 8:05

So a little bit of backstory as to how we found out. I saw your post asking for gestational carriers, and I instantly sent it to Haley, and I'm like, hey, I'm not gonna ask you to do this, but I think it'd be a great opportunity to do it. And she took it from there and just went full bore into it. I'm like, yes, I'm I'm super excited that she's willing to do this because I know the type of person that she is, and she will take it completely seriously. Through the medications, the injections, you know, eating healthy and you know, just all aspects of it to where she is selfless as much as she doesn't like to be told, you know, that this is a selfless process, that it makes her a little uneasy about it, but that she's willing to go through essentially nine months of something that's probably not the most comfortable, wouldn't know because I have, you know, not those kinds of organs, but uh just the fact that she's willing to do this for my brother and my sister-in-law that are now her brother and sister-in-law, it it's a very big step for me.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

You know what I learned? Um, we have good podcast voices, so we should definitely keep this up.

SPEAKER_05 9:28

Oh, and I learned that I can stick a needle in my wife's backside without causing her too much pain.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Let's go. And I heard today's shot was on the side of the highway.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

So I even asked her, I'm like, hey, so you know, you've you've got a lot of these injection stories now, and like on a bus, and she she told me no. No, she went to the the bathroom at the hospital because it was good timing, and I was like, oh man, you know, it would have been funny to have, you know, oh, I got stuck in the butt when I was on a bus or in a car on the side of the highway.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

You know, have you guys shared the stories of the locations for shots?

SPEAKER_02 10:05

So yeah, last episode we talked about yeah yeah's um fun locations. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I the only one that I could think of that was like out of the ordinary really were when you and I would be in the car when we'd go out to like eat or to the bars and stuff like that. Is there one that I'm missing?

SPEAKER_06 10:21

No, mostly parking lots and making it look like it was heroin going in and all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yes, that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_06 10:30

Prepping the needles.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

Yeah, no, I think I almost got into a situation last night. Yeah, yeah. So I was on a um trip for work and we took a charter bus with 25 people. Um, was not expecting that many people on one bus. And things just kind of got like kept getting pushed back, like timeline wise. And I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna be on this bus. This driver's terrible. Like, oh, not good. Like side to side, I was like, great, this is gonna be fantastic. Um, and luckily, like everyone's nurses on there. So I had my friend um Katie, who's a part of this fellowship I'm on. Um she I was like, You're gonna have to give me this shot on a moving bus. So I hope you got good aim. Um, but no, it it was fine. We made it to the hospital and like went in the bathroom and did it. So gave me a shot. Um but basically I remember I would I kind of like told her by we were in a restaurant the first night of the work trip, and I was like, hey, I need you to come help me with something. And I took her to the bathroom. I was like, and you should give me a shot, and she's like, for what? And so I told her then. So um, it's just kind of funny, but so was it on the bus yesterday or no? No, so I've had the shots in a restaurant bathroom, in a hospital bathroom, and then on the side of the highway.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

So yeah, love it one weekend, and you've got stories already.

SPEAKER_05 11:58

In the kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:01

The kitchen's been the craziest place.

SPEAKER_06 12:03

Um not the side of the highway.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

No, not at all. No, not at all.

Tomorrow’s Frozen Transfer Step By Step

SPEAKER_04 12:08

But yeah, um, why don't we talk about what tomorrow looks like? Because we are on the eve of of transfer.

SPEAKER_06 12:16

Um, I'll be in the waiting room.

SPEAKER_04 12:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 12:19

I'll be in the car.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Wow, all right.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Me and you, yeah, yeah. Well, I guess before we start, we before we talk about the process, who's driving tomorrow? Me. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 12:29

Yeah, I'm I'm gonna sleep.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

So oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. What about you, man?

SPEAKER_05 12:35

I I took tomorrow night off.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

So okay.

SPEAKER_05 12:38

Yeah, I put in for that to make sure that day one of the transfer is as easygoing as possible so that she's not stressed for bedtime putting down the kids. Oh, you actually care. See, I'm gonna make steaks tomorrow. I'm taking tomorrow night off now.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

Yeah, I guess we're coming over tomorrow night.

SPEAKER_05 12:55

I got four steaks, I've got plenty more.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

And our kids apparently don't eat steaks, so here we are.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

That floors me. What kid doesn't like steak? We'll fix them.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

I think a lot.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

We'll fix them.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Okay, so Matt's driving tomorrow. We'll be sleeping in the car. Yes. I don't think I'll be sleeping. I think I'm gonna be too excited.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

You won't.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

So Matt and I will be up while you two sleep. That's perfect. Makes sense. Um, once we get to Indiana, which is two hours from here, we'll get there, and her belly needs to be full of water. So she'll probably be drinking some water during the drive if you wake up. But really, my guidance is don't even worry about it. Start drinking the water when you get there. You can use the bathroom when you get there because you're not going to go straight into the room. So we get there. Uh, boys will stay in the waiting room, we'll be taken to your room. And in your room, you'll get dressed into your gown. They've got socks, um, your gown, you can, and then of course, warm feet, naked on the bottom. And you'll get into your bed, and then an embryologist will come in. They'll let us know if the embryo thawed correctly. They'll let us know, you know, the status of the embryo and if it's developed some more.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

And you said that it could there could be a process where that doesn't occur.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Yes, there is a possibility that the embryo does not thaw out correctly. We're knocking on wood. This has never happened to us, but it does happen. And so it's not guaranteed that the embryo will thaw out correctly. The goal is that it will, so we're gonna go into this assuming that it will. Um, they'll let you know the status of your embryo or our embryo. That sounds so weird. Um, and then the doctor himself will come in, he'll do a quick check-in, make sure you're feeling all right, answer any questions you have. From there, they will wheel you into the room, and that's when the fun begins. It's really quick, but we go into this nice dim room with some very chill music. They have never taken Jonathan's request to play rock. So they play some chill music. It's like it's like jazz, right, John? Or is it more like spa music? It's probably like new age.

SPEAKER_06 15:07

It reminds me of like like Asian spa music type. Asian spa music. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Oh, so not American spa music. It's very specific, John. How many Asian spas have you frequented?

SPEAKER_06 15:18

If I'm on the record, then I can't speak of it.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

So you'll go in, it's supposed to be like a super relaxing experience. Um, you're gonna plop on your back and put your legs wide open. Then um, they're gonna obviously do the ultrasound, make sure you know they can see everything. The doctor will just uh insert the catheter, make sure that he has it right where he wants it. That part does sting. Um, like I was telling you before we started recording, it feels like a pap's mirror, but then it feels like they're just going in there with claws and just pinching you on the inside. Uh, that's enough. And oh, I'm sorry, is this happening to you?

SPEAKER_06 15:57

No, I'm supportive, don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Wait, wait, can I opt out now? Yeah, no, too late. Sorry, you already signed.

SPEAKER_06 16:03

I'll tag in.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

And then the embryologist will open up the little window behind him and ask for your name, your birthday, confirm the number of embryos that they have. We're doing one. Then the doctor will say, I'm ready. And the embryo gets shot through the catheter into your uterus, and we'll see it on the monitor. Um, and it looks like literally, it's so quick. If you don't see it, it's gone. It's like a very quick speck of light.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

It's like a shooting star.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

It's like a shooting star. You have to you have to like watch intently for to notice where it is. Um, they'll take a picture of it when it happens, hopefully. And then you'll cry. I'll cry. Um, I'll pray over you, and then they like walk out. Well, they walk out before we cry. I'll probably no, just kidding, I'll be crying when they're there. They walk out. Um, they give us a few moments, typically just like what, John? Two minutes. Yeah, about that. Two minutes, and then they'll come back, they'll will you, they'll wheel you back into the room. And then is that what happens after that? Is that it?

SPEAKER_06 17:14

I honestly don't think they will you in for this. I think you're thinking of the retreat. Retrieval. I I think you just walk in, do your thing, and walk out.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

Just in the regular room. Yeah. They might.

SPEAKER_06 17:23

Yeah, I don't think they will you in for this one because it's not as bad as the retrieval.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yeah. I think my minus fog is.

SPEAKER_06 17:29

So they'd be like, all right, we're all good, and then you guys will walk out and then go back to the room and get dressed, and yeah, it's pretty laid back.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Yeah. I think you're right. I did get wheeled in in the last one because of the PRK stuff. Yeah, because I think that's why I've got it all money.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

That's all right. We'll let you know on next episode. Yeah, we'll let you know how it goes. Um, but yeah, that's the process. Yeah. Frozen embryo transfer.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Frozen embryo transfer. F-E-T. F-E-T. So many acronyms.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

Oh, yeah, for sure. But yeah, so I think the only other thing is they gave me one Valium uh to take. They said when I get there, but it's like supposed to be like an hour before um transfer time. Just to one side relax you, other side to make sure that I guess it decreases like the chance of your uterus contracting. Also relaxes, I'm sure. Something to do with cervix, uterus, something around those lines.

SPEAKER_05 18:35

Something up there. Those are lady parts. Yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

I'm glad you guys know that. Now spell cervix. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 18:43

Um that's what autocorrect is for, okay?

SPEAKER_04 18:47

God. Uh yeah, I think that's that's all I can think of for transfer tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah, so you're feeling good. You're feeling anxious.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Yes. No, yeah, good. I feel good. I think honestly, I feel like on a daily basis, more anxious about the shots and just like knowing that they have to be at a certain time, like more exact than anything else. I think that's what takes up most of my mental space. Um, but honestly, shots have been okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:17

Um I'm getting better.

SPEAKER_04 19:18

Yeah. I mean, they haven't been like terrible, you know what I mean? Like they've been totally manageable.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

How long did it take when you were doing your shots? You know how you have the two circle areas to where you're supposed to be doing the injections. In the previous episodes, you said that there was a time where it started to get a little firmer. How long would you say it took before the areas got firmer to do the injections in?

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Um I never had, yeah, I never went too far. So I I always I always made it to, well, not always, but yeah, I always made it to the two-week waits. Um that's two weeks from transfer. Then there's obviously the week before transfer when you start shots. So that's three weeks. Um, and then typically two to three weeks after that.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

Okay. So it's a good time essentially before it actually starts to get firm.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

And I think our last one was back to back. So our last transfer was like right after a loss.

SPEAKER_07 20:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

So it was still thick back there when I started the shots again. Um, but that I think that was the only time that I got really thick. Where when John gave me one of the injections, he's like, Whoa, that was not really that wasn't going in there. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_05 20:38

Yeah, it's thick back there. Just reliving it.

How Common IVF Really Is

SPEAKER_04 20:41

No, I think when I was talking to um like a bunch of people on the bus like yesterday from work, um, another thing that I found out was like three other women on there like either went through IBF or actually one person did have a surrogate. So wow. I mean, that just goes back to your sad statistic, unfortunately. The one of the one, yeah. I was just like, wow. And she I know one of the girls was like, oh yeah, I had to do the the PIO shots. Um and she's like, I think I still have scars from the house.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

It's like, yeah, I I could understand that you're doing them, you know, every day for 10 weeks.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

So that was the best part of re listening to the episodes where you're like, Yeah, you do them for like what a week? And I'm like, no, you do them for the first 10 weeks of your pregnancy.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

I think, I think I just my brain short circuited there. I was like, it's fine, it's all fine. We're not backing out. We're all good guys, we're gonna make it.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

Sorry, not sorry.

SPEAKER_04 21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

Believe it or not, there's actually two other moms that I know of that have had IVF in my age group, just locally to me. I mean, really good friends. Well, one's a good friend of mine, and the other one we went to high school together, so. It was one of those where I'm like, this is becoming more and more common. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Common. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 22:08

Yeah. I didn't know anything about it until like you started doing your IVF transfers and everything else of that nature. I didn't know anything about it. And then I realized that she was posting stuff about it too. I'm like, oh shit, they're going through the exact same thing. Yeah. Like this is this is crazy that it's becoming so common nowadays that it's it's kind of mind-blowing that the amount of people that struggle to get pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Yeah, and there's a lot of people that never talk about it. There's a lot of people that go through IVF and just don't talk about it, which of course, you know, it's everyone's comfort level, but there's a lot of people that we probably do know that are going through IVF and we don't know because they're just, you know, they'd rather not share.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

Yeah. I mean, I think it's really nice that you guys are doing this podcast and you have your Instagram that shows, hey, you know, it doesn't work for everybody in this aspect, to where it's not just the normal influencers that are like, hey, you know, it worked, it's great, you know, it's grand to where there are people that it doesn't work for that they have to take different avenues like this.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that's where I think my nerves came in, where I just didn't know like how people were going to react to the post today of us doing this. Because it's not weird, but it's different, you know?

SPEAKER_05 23:20

It might be different, but at the same time, I have the mindset of who cares what anybody else thinks.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:26

We're doing this for our families.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

That's it. If they don't like it, it's tough.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Yeah. You know, I I mean, I think I got a lot of well-witches today, which is great. Um it was nice to hear. I mean, just kept, you know, posting back, like, you know, keep sending your thoughts, you know, pray for our outcomes, you know, things like that. So it was really nice to hear, and thank you for anyone who was out there, you know, like wishing us well and listening to our podcast. I know a bunch of people already binged all three episodes, which was great. Um, so yeah, hope you keep listening and we hope to keep updating you and trying to keep out of the mental spiral, which I'm sure we talked about in the past too. But, you know, just keeping thoughts on the positive, I think is what we can take from

Supporting Her Through The Spiral

SPEAKER_04 24:18

this.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Well, I'm gonna put you on the spot, Haley. Okay. What can we do to better support you through the spirals?

SPEAKER_04 24:30

I think that's a really hard one for me. Um I think Matt can attest to this just from like postpartum stuff, but I keep a lot of stuff in, like I'm very she will talk to you more than she will talk to me.

SPEAKER_05 24:49

Because it's a feminine aspect to it. Yeah, it's girl stuff. It is, it 100% is because there are certain things that I will attempt to address. You won't bring it up at all, but you'll talk to your girlfriends about it, which be a good support system for her. It's not just, you know, hey, you know, I hope you're doing well today. You know, it's the little random acts of kindness that go a long way for hers.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

I think I do have an issue with like talking about things emotionally just because I want to immediately cry. I don't know what that is, but like having that conversation in the moment, like I just can't. Like, I can't. I just start crying and then can't get through anything, and I'm like, I'm done. But but yeah, I guess if there's anything, like just checking in. I think checking in helps because I think starting the conversation, because I probably will not start the conversation with you if it's something that's in my mind small. You know what I mean? If it's something bigger, I'm fine with starting the conversation and finding that support. But I guess that just reaching out.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

We got a counseling session. Yeah, counseling sessions. Okay, guys. Bonus episode going deep.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Yeah, no, no, Matt Deep's good, though. Matt said something good where he said acts of kindness go a long way for you. Is that one of your love languages? I guess.

SPEAKER_05 26:14

The surprise acts, nothing that she can anticipate. Right, right, right. You know, the random showing up just being like, hey, you know, I'm gonna help you for this, this, this, this, or sound so bougie. No, it it can be something literally as small as like sending a little bouquet of flowers, or you know, that's bougie catering a meal. It's not bougie. A catering of flowers is what catering of flowers. Like 30, 40 bucks to get a little something sent to the house. I don't think it's bougie.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

All right. Well, number one, I got a shower and go to sleep, and we should probably get to that that point. But we do need to finish Mrs. Doubtfire because number one, happy, go lucky movie, and just a total classic.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

But any any other thoughts? Any takeaways? Any last thoughts, guys?

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Jonathan, you are so quiet today.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

It's for the best.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Got it. He said he needed another drink, so unfortunately, we didn't get many in him before this podcast. Great. Now everyone's gonna think you're a drunk.

SPEAKER_05 27:20

Oh don't worry, I'm drinking right along with him.

SPEAKER_04 27:23

So John's John's on a diet. He has to be able to eat the French fries tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 27:27

So yep, yep, that's gonna happen.

One-Word Hopes And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_04 27:31

But yeah, do we wanna just go around? Um, let's do a rapid fire. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Rapid fire. This is how we're gonna end the podcast. Everyone will say one word to describe tomorrow, whether it's your feelings towards tomorrow, what you're looking forward to, etc. So one word to describe tomorrow. We'll just go with Jonathan because he was so quiet.

SPEAKER_05 27:53

Exhausting.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Oh exhausting, excited, good energy, good good answer, good answer. Family feud. So extra.

SPEAKER_05 28:03

No, I'm just I'm ready for our family to take the next step.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

Hey, one word.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

I love you.

SPEAKER_06 28:10

Commenting on your next. Big delay in searching.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

No, I already looked up my word.

SPEAKER_06 28:15

Uh she couldn't spell it.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Big big word. Optimistic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Optimistic. That's a good one. Um, my word would be hopeful. I'm hopeful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

All right.

SPEAKER_05 28:29

Well, I guess that uh that does it for the bonus episode.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

That does it for the bonus episode. We hope you guys are just as excited. We will have another episode for you guys, and we'll have weekly episodes every Monday.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

Yes. And uh thank you for listening. Please follow, subscribe, all the things. And this is womb service.

SPEAKER_05 28:50

Y'all take care now. You guys gotta get better at that. Bye-bye. Yeah, we really do. Womb service. That's what it is. Womb service.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Wait for me. Is that I'm trying to read your lips, but I'm not good at reading lips.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

You gotta do like a countdown. One, two, three. Womb service.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

All right, good one. Let's do it. That's good. Love you.