Episode 1 - Let's Start at the Beginning

Recorded: April 4th, 2026

We share how I went from years of infertility and IVF losses to preparing for an embryo transfer with a gestational carrier, who happens to by my sister-in-law.

In this episode we talk through the emotional roller coaster, the awkward parts people do not know how to ask about, and why we want to normalize this path for anyone who feels alone. 

Hopefully you stick around as we go through this journey together, sharing with you every Monday!

0:00 - Welcome To Womb Service

1:11 - Sports Night And Real Check-In

1:59 -The First Big Clinic Roller Coaster

4:27 - Why We’re Sharing This Story

4:36 -Years Of IVF And Miscarriage

9:26 - Haley Says Yes To Carrying

13:24 - Making The Journey Less Isolating

20:18 - How To Tell People You’re A Carrier

25:39 - Legal Steps Psych Eval Medical Clearance

31:47 - Insurance Costs And Hidden Surprises

34:59 - Patience Faith And Next Steps

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi, I'm Yaya. And I'm Haley. And this is womb service. We're sister-in-laws and we're walking a really unique journey together. I'm having a baby. And I'm carrying that baby. Each week we're gonna talk honestly about the process, the emotions, the medical stuff, the awkward moments.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

And sharing what we're learning along the way for anyone who's also struggling, curious, or walking this road too. Because let's be honest, infertility sucks. So let's talk about the world's craziest group project.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Seriously, all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

So, Haley, how are you feeling?

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Okay, I'm just gonna be real. It was the women's basketball NTAA game last night. I watched the UCON game. Yep, stayed up way too late to watch also the Texas. Oh my god, Texas. How could I forget who played Texas last night? Okay, I'll think about it in a minute. But anyways, that was a good game as well. But yeah, the UConn game was gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah, we were watching it. We were in Chicago for the Shane Dillis comedy show and the fan duel bar. I've never been to it, but it has a million screens all over us, and it had all the games going on, and that was really cool. So we were watching that game as well. Crazy. How are you feeling overall?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Overall, good, overall, good. Definitely had like some ups and downs yesterday, and like for everybody listening, just had an appointment. Or actually, one of like the first appointment appointments for getting some labs and ultrasound done, and it was a roller coaster. I feel like you left the appointment, like not knowing what's gonna happen. And then by the time I got home, which was almost a four or five-hour drive, I had answers, which was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

It's such a daunting drive. You walk out of there and you're just like, okay, is this good? Is this bad? And you don't know until the labs come back. Yeah, when you walk out of there, the nurse can't tell you anything because the nurse doesn't know. Hey, I just wanted to hug you yesterday when you called. I could hear the nerves in your voice.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Yeah, but then I'm also from the standpoint of she knows you've been there, I don't know how many times, and we'll get into that. But I'm just like, she knows exactly how I feel. Yeah, I don't know. At least I knew that. I didn't have to explain a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Yeah, but yeah, it's a roller coaster for sure.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Yeah. But how are you feeling? How are you feeling this week?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

I'm feeling beyond grateful. I know that you and I have had this conversation a few times, but I think just as we continue to get closer to it and as it becomes more and more real, I just am very grateful. Like yesterday when you called me, and for the listeners, Haley had an appointment yesterday, which was just to check ovaries, make sure everything looked good before we could actually proceed with the medical and transfer aspect of it. And so she walked out, and they, I think you had cysts in an ovary, and they didn't really know if they were producing estrogen or not. So we were waiting on labs. And all that to say that when you called me and I heard you on the other line, I could remember those feelings. And I just sat there so grateful after we hung up, and I sat there so grateful, just knowing that you're willing to do that because I know that roller coaster of emotions, and that's just the start of it, right? Like the entire next month is going to be a roller coaster of emotions and the waiting periods, and did the embryo stick, did it not, and all of that stuff. So I know that this is just like the start of the roller coaster ride, and I'm just very grateful that you're willing to go through this roller coaster for us.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Love you.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I love you too.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Thank you. So I guess let's get into it. So for everybody listening, let's just down and dirty who we are, why we're here, why we felt like we wanted to do this podcast. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to start?

SPEAKER_01 4:36

This is March 2026. And Jonathan and I, we got married in 2016. And when we first got together, we had our entire future laid out by the year. So we knew we were going to be engaged for three years. We knew that we were going to get married, and then from there, we were going to buy a home, and then, of course, have stabilized careers and then start thinking about babies. So we got all the way up until stabilized careers, already had our home. We were married. The year was 2018, and we were ready to start with the babies. And I didn't know the first thing about the process. I have always had inconsistent periods, but I just assumed this will happen. So we started trying without necessarily trying per se. We weren't doing the strips, we weren't counting the days of ovulation because again, I didn't know any of that. So we were just trying. And we let our friends and family know at a concert. Haley, you were there. It was a really fun weekend. We let everyone know that we were ready to start trying for a baby. So after a few months of trying, I spoke to my boss and she was also trying. And so she gave me some ovulation strips. I started trying that. Jonathan was like very against timing it. He was like, this just is gonna happen when God is ready. But I was doing the ovulation strips anyway. And they weren't popping up with any information. I was not ovulating whatsoever. I saw a doctor here in Champaign, and she said that we needed to be trying for a year before she could give us any information. And at the time, I was traveling for work. So us trying while I was traveling for work made it very hard to really keep up with anything, both trying, ovulationships, seeing a doctor, all that good stuff. And so I did that for about two years. And then COVID happened. And after COVID, we decided to get serious. So this wasn't happening. This has been going on for a few years. And I finally started with our doctor in Indiana, who was referred to me by another colleague. And we have been at Indiana Fertility Clinic since 2022, I think is correct. And we started IBF in September of 2022. We had three embryos that made it. We transferred two. The first one was a positive pregnancy test, but was lost without truly having a miscarriage. So by the time I was going in for my ultrasound, there was no more baby. The second embryo was a miscarriage. And then we decided to have a second second retrieval. And this time I got really like into it. I was super clean, I was taking all the supplements, I was not drinking, I was eating really good. And it showed we got 11 embryos that we were able to say that were all almost perfect. They were graded at AA and AB. And we transferred, we decided this time when we were going to start doing transfers that we were going to do them by twos, which our doctor is typically against because he says, like those are at-risk pregnancies, and so you want to do singletons. But at this point of this process, he's let's do it, let's try for two. And we had two transfers that both resulted in miscarriages. And after the second miscarriage, I realized this isn't gonna work. And the doctor agreed, we've tried everything. So, how did we get here? After all of those years of trying and realizing that my body was not gonna be able to sustain a full-term pregnancy, we decided to ask for help. And we knew how awkward it would be to ask anyone and have to be rejected. So instead, we made a Facebook post, just a call to action, just to our friends and family to see if anyone out there. It was very much like an ET phone a home kind of situation where we just had it and we asked if anyone would be willing to even consider it. And we briefly talked about just how much the process would be within that post because it's not a one, two, three step, and it's a lot of appointments, and it's an Indiana, and it's a nine-month commitment at minimum just during a pregnancy plus. And Haley, that's where you come in.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

You Haley. So yeah, just I guess just listening to your story again because I've heard it in pieces. It's like I've been there along the way, it's just hard, and I'm not even in that situation. You take everything with grace, and you I know obviously everyone has their hard, your hard points, your low points, and I know you've we've all been there. Thank you for sharing that with everyone. And I think we people need to hear it. It's something that we'll get into as well, but like talking about infertility is just yeah, something that I feel like people need to do. And I guess just starting from my standpoint, so I am married with two kids. I so my husband is Yaya's brother. Um Yaya's husband's brother. There you go. So yeah, we got married in 2020 or during COVID. It's great. But me and Yaya met way before that, and we had a great time before we even before me and Matt were even married. So I'm glad we had that bond before that. So got married in 2022. Sorry, 2020, and then we just planned on starting to try to have kids in 2021. It was somewhere in 2021. But yeah, like you were talking about, we didn't really try anything in particular. We I feel like didn't have luck like for the first two months or anything, but I was on birth control for a while before that as well. So I figured it would just take time for my body to figure things out. I never had periods on my birth control, so that I was like worried, of course, before that as well. But yeah, so first two months, nothing. Decided to just try some of those ovulation strips, just see what was going on, and then ended up having luck, I think, on the third month. Everything went pretty smoothly pregnancy-wise. Other than that, I just had the second baby 2023. So they're 18 months apart, but yeah, so it's been a it's been a roller coaster. It has. But yeah, and then I just remembered seeing your post, yeah, yeah, and I knew just following your Instagram, which we need to like tag your insta here, just so you can follow her journey as well and what she's been posting. I just remember seeing like where you were at, and like never really wanted to insert myself into that into your own journey just because who wants to be like, yo, you ready, you ready to try surrogacy? Like, no, that's a no nowhere my place or anyone's place. So I'm glad you came out and said something. And I just saw the post after Matt called me like five minutes later because he wasn't home with me, and he was just like, yo, he's did you see I guess post? I was like, What are you talking about? And I think I was texting you at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Yeah, we were texting about something completely different at the time.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Yeah, so it was like unrelated. I don't even know what we were texting about, and then I just like totally changed gears in the text, and I was like, I'd be happy to. Let's talk more about it, let's figure it out, let's figure out the logistics. So, yeah, we made it here. It's been a wild ride so far. We started this process back in July of 2025, and I'm gonna say, like, part of that has been because I have some weird antibody stuff going on, which blame the boys, blame Matt. Just want to make sure that wasn't gonna interfere with anything of Yaya and John's embryos that I think extended things out a bit for us, but we're finally, finally at that point where we are pretty much ready to get that transfer. So, yeah, it's transfer month, and this is a huge month. Yeah, huge. It's been quite the experience, but I'm so grateful to have had like you there. Obviously, someone I can just talk to anything about, and you've been there, you've been through the experiences, you know what to what to expect, and it's just crazy. But so what how do we get how do we get to the podcast? I don't even know. Like, why do we I want you to explain why we want to be here?

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yeah, for sure. So as Haley mentioned, I've have an Instagram, and I feel like that kind of stems the foundation of why we have this podcast, and so I'll explain how the Instagram came about. So when I started IVF in 2022, the entire IVF process was foreign to me, and I didn't know anything about anything until I was in every stage of that process. And a lot of times when we started IVF, our friends and family wanted to be just in the know. How are you feeling? What's going on? What's the next process or what's the next step? And I got very overwhelmed with having to answer those questions via text message or phone calls because I didn't have all the answers all the time to their questions. And so I decided to create an Instagram that was specific to our IVF process where I could share information that I was going through or learning along the way to inform the people in our lives how we were doing physically, mentally, emotionally, and where we were in the process. And that started to really help answer those questions for folks, but also help normalize the conversation because a lot of times it's a very awkward conversation and people don't know how to ask. Hey, how are you doing? They don't know what to say. Sometimes people say quote unquote the wrong things that they think are helpful, but they're really not. And so the Instagram kind of helped mitigate those conversations and it allowed me to give the people in our lives the answers, but also helped give them knowledge on infertility because it's not talked about often and it's not a conversation that you have at the dinner table at Thanksgiving. So people just don't really know much about it. So that kind of instilled the idea even back then to create a podcast. And I tried it twice. I've got two podcasts that are archived, one when we first started IBF, and then one when we were doing our second egg retrieval. And those are archived because infertility is a very isolating process. And I felt very alone and my emotions were very up and down, where I never felt comfortable enough to go live with those podcasts. It was too raw and it was too emotional for me to ever actually put those live. So I kept, I just kept on with the Instagram. And when Haley said that she would be our gestational carrier, I realized this is not the norm. I didn't even know. I was scared of even making that post asking for a gestational carrier because I didn't know how people would react. I don't know anyone in my life who has used a gestational carrier, has been a gestational carrier. And so I was really nervous about how people would perceive us going that route. And I know, forget what people think and don't worry about that, and just do your own thing, and this is your path. But it was a very we hesitated for a while to even ask. And so it was a no-brainer that what we're doing here, I could never encompass the journey in an Instagram post or in a few. I want people to like really understand what it's like to even ask someone to be a gestational carrier, and then what it's like for someone to be a gestational carrier. I think that this is such a huge topic that again, this whole process is so isolating that if there's anyone out there that what does this process even look like? How do I even get started with this? And what, what should I expect? We have a budget that we keep track of where we keep track of everything that are all of our expenditures. And there's nothing like that online. You can't find things like this online. And I just think that if this could become a resource for whether it's a couple who's struggling with infertility or someone who's considering being a gestational carrier for someone, I just hope that this becomes a resource where people can listen and realize hey, I'm not alone. And there are people out there who are helping normalize that journey and what it entails. I think that's for me. If someone were to ask me what is the point of this podcast, I would say that it's to normalize it and to become a resource for people who are in this journey or considering it.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yes. Yes. I wholeheartedly agree. I just from your first thoughts, I think from the outside of it, it's also hard. We want full disclosure. You know, what whatever we're saying, whatever we're talking about, we're gonna tell you everything. And also like the hard parts we had. Because let's be honest, our journey here was not without our own bumps and bruises and difficult conversations and things, everything. I have always not said the right thing as well, and not even realizing it. So I think that's very important for people to understand is just even if even if you think you're saying the right thing, sometimes you are 100% not. And I think being able to take that feedback and take that those thoughts from people who are going through it really does make you a better listener, a better person, a better, better understand what other people are going through. So I've also I've learned so much from you, Yaya. So just through this process. But yeah, I think people just need to hear it. And I think this is a perfect, hopefully, a perfect how-to guide on to get where we are or to get somewhere similar, because obviously everyone's journey is not going to be anywhere near the same, but at least you have an idea, and there's other people out there going through the same struggles that you are. And I've I've known other people who have come out and said they've done IBF, but I had no idea until they were pregnant. So yeah, that's that just talks about the stigma, the stigma of not talking about it, not feeling like you want to admit that you can't do things the normal way. And there's no normal way anymore. Like right, the new norm is IBF, which is terrifying. So yeah, I really hope through this process we can talk about all those hard things, help people realize what how to help, you know, the right ways to help people go through IBF and to support them.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Yeah. I think you made a really good point where it's the stigma around not admitting to certain processes to get to the end. And I guess my question for you is, you know, how, because this is unknown territory for both of us, how have you been feeling regarding people finding out that you're a gestational carrier or how you're gonna break the news to friends, family, et cetera? Because walk me through that just because I feel like it's a conversation that we've had lightly, but it's it's huge, right? You're literally going to be pregnant for nine months and have to explain to people that you're not having your own baby. Talk a little bit about where your headspace has been and what your process has been to decide when or where to tell people.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah, 100%. So obviously, like close family knows like the general process that's happening. Very few close friends like know what we've been going through. But as far as bringing it to everyone else, like for those, I guess, that I interact with on a day-to-day basis, let's go step by step here. So, like work people like kind of they kind of need to know ASAP because unfortunately, I work as a nurse and I work in surgery. So, in surgery, there's just certain things that I'm not allowed to do when I'm pregnant, and that's very clear. It's actually pretty funny. So, as soon as someone is like admits they're pregnant to like our charge nurse, and usually it's pretty early on, they attempt not to tell people, which totally understand because there's still that that like your body might not keep the pregnancy, so that's just something hard to admit to when you don't even know if it's gonna stick. But on yeah, unfortunately for work, people figure it out pretty quick, and that rumor gets a But so I'm not too worried about the process of telling people honestly. I'm more excited when we get to that point just because I want, I guess on one point, like it's because we're doing this podcast. I want people to know this happens. And like you were saying, I don't know anyone who's personally been a surrogate for anyone. I hope people are interested and curious and want to know more about it. I'm honestly excited for that first time someone randomly walks up and says, Oh, you're pregnant. I'm like, yeah, it's my sister-in-law's baby. Can't wait. But I yeah, I guess I'm just honestly overall thankful that I get to experience this with you. I if I could do one thing, I would truly wish that you could experience this as well. That is my one. I guess the one thing if I could change anything in the entire world, I wish you could experience this process. And that is going to be my main goal through this entire thing and this entire process is to make sure you are feeling everything I'm feeling and understanding everything that's going on. And I want you to have all those experiences that you would have otherwise. So it's and I know it's not gonna be the same, but but yeah, I'm overall, I think, proud to have been on your list, like proud to have been someone that you trust enough with your M babies. Like I yeah, I'm just overall thankful, grateful. So I guess yeah, I'm not too worried about the sharing process. I know people are gonna be like confused, but that's where we come in. That's where this podcast comes in. That's where hopefully our education comes in on like letting people know this happens and this is real life for women, like the hard choices we all have to make.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah, no, I love that. I actually have a journal that is going to be arriving at your house today, and it's a related to surrogacy journal, and it has you basically it has like questions and it helps you like log everything from start to finish. And hopefully that becomes a really nice way for you to be able to share those feelings on paper because sometimes when we're going through a roller coaster of emotion, there's no one who we can talk to because you're just like, I just gotta figure it out. I just gotta put my big girl pants on. But hopefully the journal not only helps in that respect and helps you release some of those feelings and stuff, but hopefully someday you'll feel comfortable enough to even share some of those with me where when you are pregnant and you are like having the cravings or unable to sleep, and uh, why did I decide to do this for someone because my ankles are swollen? You know what I mean? I hope to someday be able to get to read some of those passages. But yeah, that should be arriving today. I'm really excited for it. But speaking of you had mentioned how, you know, when someone, when the first person who asks you if you're pregnant and you saying, Oh yeah, it's not mine, John and I were looking at funny shirts and one of them said it wasn't pretty, so I didn't get it because it wasn't cute, but the quote was really funny. It said, I'm having I'm having another man's baby, and the wife is thrilled. And I thought that was so funny. It wasn't a cute shirt, so we didn't end up getting it for you, but the quote was so funny. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

I love it. Yeah, so I think the shock factor might be the best part, but yeah, yeah. Overall, why don't we just talk about our very high level of how we got here and then yeah, just talk about what's going on this week.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

So, like medical clearance, and then what else?

SPEAKER_01 25:42

What was next? All right, so nine months ago, the first step, right, is finding out who's who would be your gestational carrier. So, Haley, that's where you stepped in and we knew we were ready to go. We obviously had to have some conversations because it's a serious commitment. So we met up for lunch and I had Googled questions to ask to make sure that someone's actually ready to be your gestational carrier. And so we asked a series of questions. We decided that we were good to proceed. And then from there, it was lawyers. So we had to find attorneys. And I think we got really lucky with our attorneys that we certainly just googled. I think it was like Chat GPT or something. We got really lucky. We got two great attorneys. Yours was so thorough. Our attorney actually went through surrogacy as an intended parent. Him and his wife struggled with IDF, and then so he like left his original law firm, whatever he was doing previously, and then went into this. So that's crazy. I know, I know. I didn't know that. Yeah, he's he was so sweet. Like the first time we spoke, and afterwards, even at the very conclusion of our first conversation, he's like, even if you don't go with me, if you have questions, call me. And he's because my wife and I had so many questions, and she was the one calling her people with questions. He's like, I want to be that person for any couple, and it was just so cool.

unknown 27:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

After attorneys, what happens after attorneys? We had the psyche value we had to make sure we were mentally well enough to do this process, both of us. So that was a trip. We did that together, and then she interviewed us separately.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Yeah, yeah. What else? Medical clearance. Then we had to get actual medical clearance, make sure that Haley would be able to be a carrier for us, which then led to about a three-month delay for us because we needed to figure out if we had antigens, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so I have some weird antibodies. It's called like little C and E. And turns out I got them from Matt because Matt got tested after the fact on our second baby. Because so when you get pregnant, they test your blood and they're like, okay, we got to see if like you have you need Rogam. So that's a very common thing. Like, if you need Rogram for having a certain blood type and things of that nature. So mine came up with abnormal antibodies, and I was like, the second pregnancy. So I didn't have them, the first one. So what they thought was that through that birthing process, because Matt might have gave gave me part of his genetics through the baby, that I got these antibodies as well. So what that just meant for our second pregnancy was that our baby was more at risk of being anemic. So I had like serial ultrasounds and I had to go every week, I swear, to Peoria. But I was everything was good. There was no issues. So that was the only thing I was worried about when I offered to be a gestational carrier, a GC for Yaya and John. So we had to make sure that my blood typed abnormalities wouldn't interfere with their M baby. So we were all good. They were negative, but I swear that process took like weeks of going back and forth between so many different doctors of saying, we have no idea how to order this test. I'm just like, I am sending you the test. Here it is. Just order it.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Like, you know, what added to it was so Jonathan and I needed to get tested for this. Mind you, I have been a patient at the infertility clinic for years, but I'm no longer a patient there. So the doctor is attempting to send orders for me, but he's not my doctor and doesn't know how to request for those lab orders for me because I'm not a patient there. My primary doctor is like, whoa, this is infertility IDF stuff. We don't want to mess this up. We don't know how to request these. And the entire time the doctor that Haley saw was in Champagne, which is two blocks from my doctor. I'm like, can you just call her? Can you just call this doctor who's down the street? Ask her what to put in for this order. It was, oh my gosh, it was just so much back and forth. I think just to get the labs, I think that was a three-week process, just to get the doctors to even know how to request them.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Unfortunately, in the world we live in, and I even get this at work, it has to be literally put in a certain way electronically for anything to mean anything. So yeah, I at one point I remember telling Yadia, I'm like, just give me the phone. I'm like, give me the phone call, give me the number. I'm like, I'll go talk to somebody, I'll figure it out. But luckily, it worked out in the end. But yeah, with I think our big biggest delays were that get in the lab and then just waiting for my clearance appointment with maternal fetal. So that was like a three-month wait for a five-minute virtual appointment. Yeah. Insane. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

So there's yeah, and then there was obviously all the financial stuff, which I'm sure we'll have an entire episode to go over financials because that is an insurance. I think we absolutely need an entire episode about insurance and the financial aspect of gestational caring, which obviously we are very blessed that we don't have to go through an agency because going through an agency for surrogacy is like 150k, and we ain't got that one money. So obviously we're very blessed in that respect. But I think that there was there's just a lot of back and forth with how much insurance would cover, what it wouldn't, and there was just a lot of misunderstandings that I hope that through an episode we can provide that information so someone doesn't have to go through the hurdles and shock that we went through when we found out insurance wouldn't be covering the transfer.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Yeah. So yeah, I think overall our takeaways, and we're just gonna do a broad overview of our takeaways from our first episode here, but like be patient. I know that's the hardest thing for me, and I've only been doing this for nine months. Yeah, yeah, you've been doing this for years. So I I'm losing my mind, but I can't imagine, I can't imagine going through years of that. Just stop starting. That's so mentally draining. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah. I think my takeaway for this would absolutely be to just be patient and give yourself grace and find God's blessings even when you're in moments of darkness, because there's always something that through the downs and through the dark moments that you could you can see him working through things around you to make the process better. And I think for Jonathan and I, obviously, we've been going through infertility for a very long time. And what we have taken away from that is how do we become the parents that God wants us to be? And how do we use this time to become that? So, how do we come, how do we become better disciples for God? How do we become more knowledgeable about the words that we can then give that same knowledge to our future children? Obviously, that's our takeaway in our walk and our years of having to wait. But my pastor actually gave me a really beautiful quote once, and I'm gonna share it as my final takeaway for anyone listening is when God asks you to wait, think about what do waiters do. Waiters serve. And in that same sense, you should be serving during your time of wait. And I, when my pastor gave me that quote after our last miscarriage, I realized I needed to just really lock in and just make sure that I was serving in any way that I could, both at church, but as well as with the kids in our lives, spreading the gospel with my nieces and nephews. We've really taken like this time to do that is to just serve and try to become the parents that will someday hopefully raise disciples as well. And my my whole point of all of that is to say that find something that's constructive for you and positive for you if you are in the weight, because it is like Haley has said, a roller coaster. Just even the nine months that she's been in it, and the only way that I can say that I've gotten through it is truly just finding constructive and positive ways to project that stress and that sadness, I guess. Because it is it's a sad process, and yeah, yeah, that would be my takeaway.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Totally. I yeah, you've you guys have really just worked on yourself in your marriage, which is awesome, amazing. Everything's not always easy, as you've already showed that. So I think you've done good. You've done good with as much as you could have. Yeah, all right. I think that was awesome. I think for just giving you guys an overview, hopefully you you keep up with us. We really want to just share everything we've learned and all the funny, all the terrible, all the good, bad. So hopefully on future episodes, we hope to talk about how the surrogate surrogacy processes worked, what the differences are in those, like what infertility means for different people, how we got to this point in more in-depth. And then, like we said, talking about all that medical, financial, insurance, craziness that goes with all this. So we hope you you stick around and love having you, love sharing this.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Yeah, and hopefully, God willing, this will be nine months of you guys with us through a pregnancy journey.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Usually we talk about room service, but now we're talking about womb service.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Love you too. Thank you so much.